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  Multiple Police Officers On Duty for Jan. 6th Protest Commit "Suicide"

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  https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?

  coincidence?.

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  Sea Breeze

  We all know the election was stolen from Trump

  And more importantly, stolen from the citizens of the USA.
  
  
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  Multiple Police Officers On Duty for Jan. 6th Protest Commit "Suicide"

  by Sea Breeze in

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  https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?

  coincidence?.

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  Rocketman,

  To a lot of people, the whole event had the look and feel of something that was carefully managed. We all saw the Capitol Police leading protestors into the Capitol. Most footage has been removed from YouTube, like the one where that cop was leading Buffalo Man up the stairs into the Senate chamber. We all saw that with our own eyes....remember? But, this one still remains:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj6U5JNOlS8&ab_channel=Spoudazo.US
  

  The hatred of the Deep State for Trump is well documented, some foreign analysts say because he is an outsider. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to set a trap in this event with paid agitators working up the crowd. It would control all the central players, but if other officers showed up not knowing the script, they could be dealt with later. And if some Capitol police balk at the script, they can be dealt with as well. This isn't their first rodeo.

  I used to be more trusting, until I saw what kind of manipulation is possible by the Wt. It's mind-boggling. I have also seen what power does to people like my older brothers who were/are elders.

  4 suicides of Capitol police involved on Jan. 6th?

  C'mon man!
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  Multiple Police Officers On Duty for Jan. 6th Protest Commit "Suicide"

  by Sea Breeze in

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  https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?

  coincidence?.

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  he has no to little evidence, just self assuming speculation.

  We all saw the evidence on TV... remember the observers getting shut out?

  He is a "Retired Army Intelligence Captain". Looks a bit bigger than just self-assuming speculation.
  
  Maybe he should quit looking into this before he is overcome with an overwhelming urge to commit suicide as well.
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  Multiple Police Officers On Duty for Jan. 6th Protest Commit "Suicide"

  by Sea Breeze in

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  https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?

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  He should go to jail for winning an election?

  
  

  Highly Respected Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN

  
  

  
  

  
  Appears that Trump won a landslide victory. He should be immediately reinstated. If for no other reason than to stop the "suicides".
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  Multiple Police Officers On Duty for Jan. 6th Protest Commit "Suicide"

  by Sea Breeze in

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  https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html what is going on here?

  coincidence?.

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  Sea Breeze

  https://news.yahoo.com/fourth-capitol-police-officer-died-165444271.html
  
  What is going on here? Coincidence?
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  Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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  pistolpete,

  Let me just say that I appreciate many of your posts and look forward to what you have to say most of the time in agreement. This of course is an exception. I still appreciate you even though we are at odds on this issue.

  No SB, I am dealing with historical and you are dealing with Faith.

  Earlier you assumed that the "minimum facts" were historical. It seems that you no longer believe that being "deluded" is an adequate explanation for the events described. I agree with you. Finding plausible explanations for the "12 minimum facts" is not so easily achieved.
  
  Are you now suggesting that the minimum facts that skeptic and other scholars agree are the minimum agreed upon facts surrounding the events of the Resurrection are no longer historical?

  I believe that it takes more faith to believe in the one-word explanation you provided (deluded) for what can only be described as astounding: (the sudden embracement of Sunday as a day of rest and worship among thousands of orthodox Jews)...

  without providing for any apparatus, religious, educational, social or familial impetus that could account for this proposed delusion right in the heart of Judaism. That takes a lot of faith to believe that. And, you have 11 more facts to try to explain away! Will you present any facts to explain those? Or, will you continue to rely upon faith in your "deluded" explanation? If so, I think you are much more of a man of faith than I am.

  Is there any eyewitness of this Jesus outside of the Bible ?

  Many of the eye witnesses became Christians and their writings became part of the bible. Even the harshest skeptic scholars will allow 6 or 7 of the NT books of the bible as genuine. Even if you disallow everything the skeptic scholars want, the best explanation is still that Jesus was raised from the dead using only the materials they allow.

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  There are also non-biblical sources for the historicity of Jesus. But, even the biggest atheist scholars use parts of the bible as history. So, to ignore ANYTHING written in the bible is not in line with modern scholarship.
  
  Here is a good written purvue of the data: https://reasonsforjesus.com/risen-historical-evidence-jesus-rose-dead/

  Here is a lecture at the University of California Santa Barbara where Dr. Habermas masterfully lays out the facts.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0O4bHuQmX8&ab_channel=ScottishIndependence
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  Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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  PP,
  
  We are not trying to determine an "ought" here. There is no moral dilemma. We are dealing with historical facts and trying to determine causal plausibility.

  So far, you haven't offered anything that would account for even one of the historical facts established by the majority of scholars, secular or otherwise. There are 11 others to sort through.
  

  In the absence of any plausible deniability, some people are going to conclude that the reason tens of thousands of orthodox Jews went against all religious, familial, social, educational and penal constructs, at great personal cost, is because Jesus really was raised from the dead.

  Whatever a man says who has walked out of a tomb, is not easily dismissed.
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  Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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  True EV,

  But, we are talking about plausibility here, a best explanation. PP proffers "delusion" without providing any apparatus, religious, educational, social or familial that could account for his proposed delusion of tens of thousands in the heart of Judaism - Jerusalem.
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  Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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  pistolpete,

  What is a plausible scenario that would cause tens of thousands of hard-core orthodox Jews to stop making Saturday their day of rest and worship and change it to Sunday... right in their holy city of Jerusalem? And, be willing to suffer shunning and their own death to do so?

  "Deluded"? I'm sorry, but your one-word answer doesn't sound convincing

  Do you know how many WOMEN, CHILDREN, are willing to strap a bomb on themselves and blow themselves up along with the infidels because they have FAITH they are doing the right thing.

  You are making my point here. There is a huge religious, societal, familial, and social construct apparatus that makes it possible to understand how some muslims could get to the point that you describe.

  Where was all that for Jews? Indeed they had all that, but it was all for making Saturday their holy-day. Then, with ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THAT in place, suddenly tens of thousands of orthodox Jews make Sunday their day of worship in honor of Jesus resurrection.
  
  Your answer just isn't plausible.
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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  Jesus was just a dude that came up with some ideas....just like Charles Taze Russell

  Really?
  

  CT Russell is dead, Muhammed is dead, Lao Tzu is dead, Zeus is dead, Buddha is dead, Plato is dead, Confucius is dead ...... all past teachers are dead, except one.

  
  

  The whole world counts time by Jesus' existence because he walked out of a tomb. He said that if you listen to him, you can walk out of your tomb as well. This is what it is all about. You have to give special attention to a man who walks out of a tomb.
  
  
  The above 12 facts made popular by Dr. Habermas, are those that the majority of scholars, atheist and otherwise alike concede to be a minimum set of facts surrounding the resurrection of Jesus.
  
  Until you can come up with plausible explanations for all these minimum facts, you simply are not dealing with what is driving the Christian faith.
  
  So, here's your chance: What is a plausible scenario that would cause tens of thousands of hard-core orthodox Jews to stop making Saturday their day of rest and worship and change it to Sunday... right in their holy city of Jerusalem? And, be willing to suffer shunning and their own death to do so?